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The Point of it All…

17 Tuesday Jan 2012

Posted by Erica Welch in Uncategorized

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Bridezilla, communication, love, relationships, selfishness, Wedding

I bet some of you were wondering what the real point of yesterday’s post was. It wasn’t to drag your poor man through the bridal shop or ring shopping, or to make a playlist like you’re a DJ (or Disk Jockey, as Pink Susie insists on saying). The point is, wedding things are addictive.

I’ve never understood all the fuss, the bridezillas, the “it’s all about the bride,” the obsession over the ring. I’ve always been focused on before and after the wedding, on finding someone you want to spend the rest of your life with and actually spending the rest of your life with them. I only vaguely acknowledged the ceremony beyond wanting to wear the whitest white I can find and wanting to be married in a church (and of course, the playlist).

But Saturday, I caught a bit of the wedding fever (prematurely, of course). I was thinking about dresses, wedding bands, neat little guestbook ideas (like the photo booth thing), sensual underwear…all that wedding day stuff. When we came back, we discussed colors, whether or not we wanted a unity candle, whether or not we want to jump the broom, picked our favorite songs for a playlist, talked about a possible venue, how many people in a wedding party. Then my thoughts yesterday centered on things like save the dates, invitations, bridal party gifts and wedding favors. It was wedding overload, but on my (possible) wedding.

If Mr. Perfect and I do tie the knot, it won’t be a long, 12-18 month engagement as is typical now; it will be at most six months (depending on venue). It doesn’t hurt, then, to have some ideas beforehand. But the best thing about our hypothetical planning venture, aside from both of us getting to have a little input in usually restricted areas (he in the gown and I in the ring), is the fact that we were doing it together.

The truth is, I still don’t understand bridezillas and the “it’s all about the bride” mentality. The wedding is one of the first real tests of how you will handle conflict and difference of opinion in your relationship. If it makes Mr. P. happy, I can concede and let him play Wu Tang’s “Triumph” at the reception (although it has nothing to do with love and marriage, nor is it a song with a dance attached to it). How the wedding planning goes can be a good indication of how the future will be, not in what may go wrong at the last minute, but in how we plan and how we respond to things not going according to plan.

I have to admit, thinking about sporting a nice symbol of love and affection on my left hand  and planning a wedding are pretty fun. But for me, it will always be more about what comes after: a beautiful life together.

XOXO

2blu2btru

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Marriage Kit Interview: Mrs. Jung-Freud, Part III

09 Wednesday Nov 2011

Posted by Erica Welch in marriage, marriage kit, relationships

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absentee fathers, African American, Always Something Better Syndrome, Commitment phobic, communication, conflict resolution, Divorce, Independent Women, marriage, mental health, Psychology, remarriage, shacking up, single parents

Welcome to part III of my discussion with JF! My questions/comments are in bold, and JF is in plain text. In this section, we discuss the importance of communication and the effect certain aspects of our upbringing or experience have on our relationships. Are you a good communicator? Do you fight fair? What issues do you think are negatively influencing your relationships?You can answer in the comments section, or email me @ 2blu2btru4u@gmail.com (by going to the contact me page in the about section).

What are some common areas in which couples struggle, and how can they be improved?

First and foremost is communication. Probably the second is finances. Sex is at least number three, if not before then. Parenting. Religion. In-Laws. Friends. The scripture says that wisdom is the principal thing. So it’s important to try to become as knowledgeable as possible about certain things that you value in the relationship and what the other person values. We don’t necessarily love the same, or the same thing that makes one person feel loved is not necessarily the thing that makes another person feel loved. So knowledge of that individual is important and knowledge about the way they communicate; knowledge about the way they spend money or their relationship with finances; their psychology behind finances. The knowledge about the significance of sex; where does it play a part? How do they relate to their families? How significant are their friends to them? Who does what when it comes to parenting? The way to counter some of the conflicts that will occur is to strive to be as knowledgeable as possible, because understanding is the critical part. Wisdom is the principal thing, but in all thy getting, get an understanding. And the way you do it may be different from the way that the other person does it. And if you’re willing to approach that person without blaming, without being condescending, (more often than not, that means that it’s outside of the crisis), if you’re willing to deal with those concerns or talk about those concerns when you aren’t in conflict, then the probability is greater that you will fare better.

What if bringing it up causes a conflict?

Ask why. What is it about this particular subject that offends you? And a lot of people will say “well it isn’t what you said; it’s the way you said it.” OK? So, how do you want me to say it? Sometimes it’s “well the tone that you used reminded me” because we don’t stay in the moment, or “it reminded me of my daddy yelling at me” or “it reminded me of my mom calling me” and da da da da da. So what is it about the way I say it, if that’s what you’re saying, what is it about that [the way I say things] that causes the problem for you?

What are some techniques that couples can use to improve communication? Good question! Some techniques: listen. Mirror what you heard the other person say as much as you possibly can remember. Say it exactly like that other person said it. Don’t interpret. That’s one of the first things that one can do in terms of their communication. Second is to tell the person what you just heard them say. OK? Again, without blaming or being condescending. Then ask them if that’s what they said. And if after asking to clarify if what you heard them say is what they said, once you clarify, EMPATHISE! Empathize. Everybody wants to feel acknowledged. They may be out in left field. Now I want y’all to know even though I’m telling y’all all this stuff, I don’t…I have conflicts in my relationship, and I have to remember “did I do all of those things? Did I forget something?” But empathize. Acknowledge that you heard what the person said, and that you understand the emotion. That may not be your emotion, but you understand that that’s an emotion that can stem from where they’re coming from or what they’re saying. So please empathize. And then, as the scripture says “for as much as within you to try to accommodate, do so. It may be a little thing. So it makes you feel da da da da da, I tell you what: I will not walk away when you’re talking to me. I feel like it, but I will not walk away. Or I will do my best not to. Like that. So empathize and engage in that regard.

So we’re going to talk about the psychological aspects of a couple of different issues mainly affecting African Americans or pertaining to us. This is in regards to the individual and current and future relationships.

Absentee fathers: It has been my experience that African Americans that have been raised by mothers or grandmothers or whatever, or as a result of an absentee father There seems to be a sense of aloofness when it comes to connecting. Their level, their ability to be vulnerable is not very high. What I’m trying to say is they are less likely to be as vulnerable, because they don’t want to relive that experience of being disappointed or being hurt, so they don’t, they aren’t as vulnerable. And obviously in relationships, vulnerability is critical to healthy relationships, to try to grow. So they are less likely to be vulnerable. They are suspect.

Commitment Phobia: (sigh) well…commitment phobia. It has been my experience that…AA males and females—trust factors is an issue where clients have struggled with making—when I say commitment, I’m thinking permanent long term relationships like marriage or like that—they may be in long term relationships, but essentially it’s like they ebb & flow, like the ocean, you know? They are in it with parameters that they have established, which may not mean permanent, and then they are out of it because they believe…I can hear the individual saying “I needed to breathe; I needed some space” whatever. I think that it’s almost like creating a different definition to the word “commitment.” There is a behavior that’s consistent, but it wouldn’t necessarily meet our definition of commitment. It’s like “I’m in the relationship, but I’m not in the relationship like you want me to be in the relationship. And unless I told you that I’m not in the relationship then it’s for you to expect I’m in the relationship.” So they may go off and do other types of things that one would not necessarily consider to be part of a committed relationship.

Single Parent Households (Just Dad or Mom): Oftentimes, is I won’t say that it’s negative, but I will say that it’s limited. The psychological effect is limited in that…if the other parent is totally absent, where the person has little or
no knowledge [of them], then their relationship with the present parent is
obviously, well oftentimes, very strong. However I have had individuals who
have this longing for that absent parent and their relationship with the
available parent is hectic because they’re engaged in and have a greater
investment in the absent parent because of their fantasies. So psychologically,
it’s…I think it’s limiting, because what that person perceives that absent
parents to be like is in their minds.

Divorce & Remarriage: Well on each of these things you are asking me, there’s a pro and a con you know? But I think  that, again, it’s a –depending on the partners, it can be a benefit if the child believes he or she is not neglected or dismissed or whatever, and that may have been the case in the original family. So if in the second marriage the child sees that they are significant and have worth and those kinds of things, then yes. Obviously, if this isn’t the case, it can prove to be very detrimental to the child. Are we talking about the psychological effect on the child or on the person? [It can be the person, too.] OK, the people come in with preconceived ideas, both of them and if they aren’t aware of those, it can be the cause of another divorce. If they aren’t aware of the ghosts, if you please, that they bring into the relationship.

Independent Women:  *sigh* For AA independent women? [Yes. The current concept of what that means in popular culture.] Yes. I think that AA women are given an ideology– they are to measure up to this image, and I think it could be to their detriment in that this ideology, as much as it talks about being and expressing yourself, it doesn’t afford individuals to be themselves if it’s not what this image looks like. I think it set, particularly young women, individuals up to fail, because they feel like they have to mimic this image that is now being portrayed. I believe it’s psychologically to their detriment. [And the effect on their relationships?] Sometimes, they’re difficult. If their partner isn’t coming into the relationship with this mindset that they have, then oftentimes, communication becomes a major issue because it triggers unresolved issues for both people.

Always Something Better Syndrome* :  That reminds me of settling. That always looking, if that person is unsettled within themselves, that’s more than likely one of the reasons behind that. They haven’t accepted that they have worth or value. So whenever it is in that relationship that they’re feeling less than in some regard or the other, then I think psychologically it is to their detriment, kind of always, “I always have my feelers out there.” What I’ve experienced as a therapist is that they’re generally highly anxious individuals; their anxiety level is pretty significant. “Did I miss something? Could I have gotten something better?” The woulda coulda shoulda syndrome is what I call it.

Shacking Up (Co-Habitation):  Psychologically, I truly, and I’m certain my faith contributes to that, but even outside of my faith as I look at other people who don’t have God in their lives, it is to their detriment, psychologically I think it is truly to their detriment. [In what way? And does it affect men and women like more or less, one sex over the other, or is it equally detrimental to both?] I don’t think it affects the man any more significantly than the woman, because there’s an investment, whether it’s financial, whether it’s emotional—whenever shacking becomes a part of the game, each person is expecting something and it is not uncommon that the expectation is the thing that creates either a plus or minus psychologically; if either is not getting what they want, their sense of not making good choices becomes a part of it and if both are getting what they want, but one decides to move on faster than the other, the feeling of I’m not good enough becomes the issue. And I’ve seen that from both genders…and homosexual couples, too.

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Hardships, Vol. 2

23 Friday Sep 2011

Posted by Erica Welch in relationships, Uncategorized

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comfort, communication, faith, hardship, love, relationships, rough patch

I want to delve a little deeper into the subject of hardship. I talked about a specific one in the last entry (financial), but there are many other hardships a relationship can face. These include: distance, unemployment, loss of a child/loved one, infertility/fertility treatments, ED, hormonal changes, boredom, etc. What do we do when we hit a rough patch? Do we turn and run, part ways, give up on the relationship? Do we continue on just to make each other miserable? Or do we try to move through it and get to the other side with a stronger bond?

There are a couple of things that I’ve found to be helpful dealing with hardships in my relationship and, even though I can speak to the married relationship experientially, I can quote some married people.

The biggest help in my relationship with Mr. P. has been evolving my communication skills. I am learning to discern between things that he says and what response he needs. Sometimes I’m relating/commisserating; other times, I’m providing possible solutions. Sometimes I just ask questions or stay silent–whichever let’s him get it all out.

Another communication technique that’s important has been to make sure we each know what the other person is really saying. It’s very easy to assume you know what the other person is saying and how they feel when you really have no clue.

Things other than effective communication that I find help with getting through tough times: having a similar faith–when I don’t have anything profound to say, I could pull out scriptures that say what I want. I can (sometimes) get away with an (occasional) “all things work together for good for them that love the Lord.” I can comfort Him by praying with him & for him;

be a restful companion and have a peaceful home– I don’t share a home with Mr. P., but I can be a restful companion. I don’t have to undercut him with how bad MY day was or start a fight about something. I don’t have to point out what he should have done so he didn’t end up in this mess. I believe that people should have peace in their home (that I don’t have, :D), that it should be a haven from the outside world. I give a big sigh of relief when I get home to my apartment. I feel stress just fall off my back. That’s how I want it to feel for my future husband. I will try (keyword: try) not to be waiting at the front door with nothing but complaints or a to do list. I will work on being appropriately subdued (if I have to be).

That’s all I’ve got right now, so help me out. How do you get through hardships of all kinds? What advice would you give to a couple that’s hit a rough patch? Leave your two cents in the comments section or email me at 2blu2btru4u[at]gmail[dot]com.

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Brighter Days Ahead

20 Tuesday Sep 2011

Posted by Erica Welch in love, relationships

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communication, hardship, love, optimism, Relationship, struggle

I’ve had a subject brewing in my head for a really long time, but I’m not quite ready to write it yet. However, the thing I want to write about brought another topic to my mind: how do you and your mate deal with hardship?

Nothing tests a relationship like hardship. When people are starting to feel desperate, depressed, picked on by life and circumstance, used, abused and generally mistreated, it begins to take a toll on the relationship. How do you support your partner when they are having a hard time? Are you an eternal optimist, or are you a problem solver? Maybe you’re the moper in the relationship. Most importantly, how do you keep your disappointment about how life is going from coloring our relationship?

It’s been said that a large amount of divorces result from financial hardship. It never says whether the financial hardship is the eventual cause or the initial cause, but I happen to think it’s probably the latter. I know there are people who will leave just because you no longer have the money you did, but I also know that the stress of not having money can lead people to say and do hurtful things to the people they love. I know it gets hard to maintain a relationship when everything starts to become what you can’t do because you don’t have the money, at least in one or both of your minds.

Hardships bring limitations to our relationships. Sometimes, they force one person to feel over-responsible for making the other person happy or keep them encouraged. Sometimes, we just don’t have the right things to say or know what to do, which can paralyze some into saying nothing. When we don’t say anything, we seem uncaring.

So, how do you keep hardship from ruining your relationship? How do you work through hardship and come out a stronger, more loving couple? Or maybe you found you weren’t with the right person after all. Leave your two cents in the comments section, or email me at 2blu2btru4u[at]gmail[dot]com.

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Marriage Preparedness Vol. 3: How Building a Foundation for Marriage is Like Building a Futon

03 Sunday Apr 2011

Posted by Erica Welch in love, marriage, marriage kit, relationships

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building, communication, cooperation, Futon, instructions, love, marriage, marriage preparedness, Relationship, work

Tonight has been a trying night that has tested the bonds of love between me and Mr. Perfect. It has been one of those nights that start with excitement (mine), get sidetracked by frustration, relaxes with tension-spilling laughter, and culminates in a successful union of cooperative work and determination to form a new household addition. Yes, we put together my futon (what did you think I meant?).

Here’s the story of how I futon can test your marriage preparedness. I came into a bit more money than I was expecting this week, and decided to cross a major purchase off of my list–a futon. As I had no seating in my living room, Mr. Perfect and I were used to sitting on the floor to watch TV or have a meal in the living room. This wasn’t the most comfortable solution, nor was it suitable for visitors to my humble abode. Instead of a costlier couch, I opted for a futon. It could also serve as a bed should something happen to the air mattress I currently have (more on that lack of furniture in another post).

We went to Wal-mart and picked up the model I wanted, one which complemented my  apartment walls (which are the color of coffee with cream) and I already knew was super comfy (my college roommates had one). After another trip to acquire a new Phillips screwdriver (mine is cowering in fear–wuss), we set about putting this thing together.

What followed was three or more hours of activity that I’m sure a psychologist or anthropologist would love to study. Have there been studies done on what impact putting something together with a partner has on a relationship? I’m sure there are. Our night started out in fun bumbling, with neither of us knowing quite what we were doing, thing getting the hang of it. Somewhere in the middle, I had an OCD attack and began insisting all the letters had to face a certain way and certain pieces had to go together or it wouldn’t be right. After a skirmish with Mr. P. (who insisted it didn’t really matter which G I used and whether the G was upside down or not), and much consulting with the instructions, we both put down arms. When we discovered something was put on wrong and made the bottom of the futon shifter thingie scrape one side of the wooden arm, we had a good laugh over missing a glaring abnormality. We finally began to work toether and successfully completed the building of a futon.

What did I learn about relationships/marriage preparedness from this?

  • You are embarking on building something new together. Neither one of you will know exactly what to do. The point is to work together.
  • You have to follow instructions and put things together in the right order to get it to work as it should. I know many people disagree that there are any real instructions to marriage and each married couple does what is best for them. Even if you believe that, you should have some sort of general guidelines and rules for how you come together.
  • Communication is key. You have to be able to explain how you’re interpreting the instructions and why you think that’s best, and be able to hear and weigh the other person’s argument.
  • You have to work together, and not just divide the work amongst yourselves. At one point, Mr. Perfect had an arm he was working on and I had an arm I was working on. After not being able to get the nuts and bolts on tight enough, I finally figured out you had to use the wrench and hex thingie TOGETHER to tighten it. By the end, with me holding the wrench and Mr. P. working the hex, and vice versa, we got the last parts done much sooner and more efficiently. My using both to secure my arm and then passing over took much more time.
  • Sometimes you have to slow down and check a few nuts and bolts for security. Things may seem structurally sound, but there’s nothing wrong with going back and “secur[ing] whatever ill be tide.” If it doesn’t seem right, investigate. You may have to undo a few things to find the problem, but once you find it and fix it, the whole thing will work more smoothly.
  • It takes however long it takes to build it soundly. I’m more concerned about building something that going to support me, fulfill the function I bought it for, and serve me well in the coming years than I am with hurrying up and finishing it so I can enjoy it. This is a hard one for me to accept some days, but the truth is at the end of all the building, I want a solid marriage that I can recline and rest in. I don’t want to sit back and have it fall apart beneath me. It took me a long time to have everything just so and put it all the pieces in the right place (and there are still two pieces I haven’t figured out what to do with); some other, more self-assembly savvy couple may be able to do it in significantly less time (the more purchases they make from IKEA, etc.). The real emphasis should be on quality and stability, not on how long it takes you to get it built.
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Teenage Love Affair: The Lincolns* (Part I)

20 Sunday Feb 2011

Posted by Erica Welch in love, marriage, marriage kit, relationships, sex, Uncategorized

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communication, Dating, family, God, in-laws, love, marriage, relationships, selfishness, submission

What Happens After I Do?

As soon as I asked Mrs. Lincoln (names have been changed or are withheld to set the couples at ease to really “tell it like it is”–this is the first couple I had to think of a name for; see if you can guess why I chose Lincoln, LOL) to participate in my marriage kits, she was ready. She called her husband (who was working), and asked if he would be off the day of our proposed interview. “OK” she said, and hung up. I asked her if he knew they were participating in the interview. “He ain’t gotta know, honey. We’ll be there.” (Sidenote: All of the couples I’ve interviewed together, I’ve arranged things with the wife, either because I asked her first or was told I had to set it up with her. Interesting)

Sure enough, Mr. and Mrs. Lincoln sat down with me before a play rehearsal at the church. As some of the singers practise in the background, I whip out my recorder (for accuracy purposes, I assure them), and begin to conduct the interview. During the next 35 minutes, we cover everything from keeping your relationship private, dealing with in-laws, shacking, problems in the bedroom, high school dating, divorce, selfishness, submission, and forgiveness. I know you’ll enjoy the Lincoln’s as much as I did!

How long have you been married? May 15, 2010 is 24 years.

  1. How long did you know each other before you got married? Sis. Lincoln: About 7 years. Bro. Lincoln: No. Sis. Lincoln: How many years? We dated three years in high school…Bro. Lincoln: no three. Sis. Lincoln: Three? We didn’t get married in high school.
  2. Bro Lincoln, What made you decide to ask her to marry you? Bro. Lincoln: I didn’t ask her, she asked me. Oh, OK. I did come around after at first she had asked me, because I told her I wasn’t going to marry her period, because I wasn’t marriage material. Sis. Lincoln: We learned something new today. So you told her you weren’t marriage material? Sis Lincoln: Oh, OK. So, how did you eventually come around? Bro. Lincoln: Having children. Sis. Lincoln: Children, plural huh? Bro. Lincoln:…and I just felt it was time for me to settle down and do the right thing.
  3. How old were you when you got engaged? Bro. Lincoln: I don’t know. Sis Lincoln: Baby, you might want to give us these questions and let us come back! Bro. Lincoln: Just answer the question. You remember? Sis. Lincoln: I would say I was 25 when I had [their daughter]…um…23, I’ll say 23. So that would make him twenty four.
  4. How long were you engaged? Sis Lincoln: I would say a year.
  5. Did you guys have any premarital counseling before you got married? No
  6. When you got married, what was the biggest adjustment you have to make early in the marriage? Bro. Lincoln: My biggest adjustment was holding down a job. Sis. Lincoln: I think mine was being submissive. It still is. That’s not one of my strong suits.
  7. Were you guys in the church when you guys got married? Bro. Lincoln: No. Sis. Lincoln: He wasn’t. I had been baptized but no I was not…active.
  8. What did you learn about marriage growing up? Sis Lincoln: Neither one of us come from a sound marital family, but I learned more about marriage from my sister and brother-in-law, which is marriage is more about compromising. Bro. Lincoln; I would say my mom. Even though her and my dad went through changes, back and forth, having issues. My mom raised 4 boys. She explained to me and my older brother, if we ever wanted to get married. This is what we should have towards a wife. Respect, honesty, and trust.
  9. What’s something that you learned after you got married that you wished you had known before you got married? Bro. Lincoln: How to communicate with your wife when you’re mad at them, and move on from there. And learn from it each time you have an issue with each other, just sit down and discuss it. At first in our marriage, I wouldn’t do that. I would just let her stay mad. But I learned from it and have grown to be a better man towards her, sitting down and discussing the issues. Sis. Lincoln: I would think that when you marry somebody, it’s not just you and them. It’s also the family you know? It’s not what you see on TV. It’s something you have to work at on a daily basis. Bro. Lincoln: Especially if you have kids. Because you have to be able to communicate on who’s going to do this or that. Sis. Lincoln: It’s something that you have to work at. And it’s always something that’s going to come up. Bro. Lincoln: Talkin’ bout on a daily basis. Just about hourly too!
  10. How has your faith impacted your marriage? Sis. Lincoln: Without my faith I would not be married today. I would be divorced without my faith. Why do you say that? Sis. Lincoln: We were in the process of getting a divorce, what, five years ago? So, without my faith, you know where it teaches you [that] you have to forgive. Bro. Lincoln: I’d say pretty much the time. She would try to make me come, or ask me to come. I’d tell her no. Then I told her you can’t do that. That’s not your decision. I started thinking back to the past, when my mother would take us to church. I thought about giving it a try again. It can’t hurt you. Your family is already doing it; why you shouldn’t do it. You just half of the apple. You’ll make it a whole if the whole family goes. So that’s what I did. And it’s benefiting me. Cause you only go for you, you can’t go for the family.
  11. How do you get to know somebody? Sis Lincoln: By studying not only their words but their actions. You have to study a person’s actions because I can tell you anything, but it’s my actions that tell you the real me. Bro. Lincoln: Talking, studying them, and spending time with them. Spending time with them going places and doing things. You’ll see what things they like to do, what they like to drink, the conversation they like to talk.
  12. What types of things did you do to get to know each other? Sis. Lincoln: Went to the movies, we were in high school so go to the movies, school activities, family outings. Bro. Lincoln: Take her to work, pick her up to work. Have ice cream.
  13. What are some red flags to look for? Sis. Lincoln: A man that has issues with his mother. The way a man treats his mom plays a big part in how he’s going to treat his wife or the woman in his life. If he’s undependable, unreliable. An unreliable person and a person with a lot of secrets. We all have things that don’t nobody know but me and God. Bro. Lincoln: How they treat their mother. I would say both parents if they are alive. How they treat their brothers and sisters. If he is a male, how he treats his sisters. How they get along, communicate, and do for one another. Because it’s a family atmosphere, and if there’s not a good atmosphere in the family, that can be a big flag.
  14. Bro. Lincoln, what should a man look for in a wife? The way a woman carries herself, day in and day out. The way she treats others, and how she dresses, and how she respects her mother, her father, brothers, sisters, and others that she meets in the streets or in the store. And how they control themselves, their temper. How they take care of themselves…hygiene, and appearance.
  15. Sis. Lincoln, what should a woman look for in a husband? I think a woman should look for a godly man, cause if he loves God & he keeps serving God then he’s definitely going to do all that he needs to do as a man to do right by his wife. I think you should look for someone who is family oriented, especially if you intend on having kids. A man that works, that’s a provider. Bro Lincoln: Especially that works. That goes on both sides, there.
  16. What do you feel about marriages today? What do you think is the main issue that people have with marriage? Sis. Lincoln: Me, personally, I just think people are selfish. We have become a selfish nation, and it’s all about me first and foremost. We aren’t willing to try; we just give up so easily.  The world will say if that one don’t work, the next one will. We’re selfish first and foremost, and we’re not willing to work at it. Anything to add? Bro. Lincoln: I try not to judge, but I have. I don’t care to speak on that one. All humans are different.
  17. How should a couple deal with an in-law relationship? Sis. Lincoln: Me, personally, I think it should be worked between the couple. The couple should sit down and work it out because the Bible says that me and him are one. Me and him have been dealing with this recently. The problem is not with the in-law, the problem is with your spouse and how they’re dealing with their brother sister, mama, daddy, whatever in-law it is. So it really should be worked out at the house, and then you become one. You all become from and then you can deal with whatever outside interference there is in the relationship.  So, what your saying is you all have to get on the same page, so that when you deal with them, you already know how y’all are going to deal with it. Bro. Lincoln: When you’re not on the same page, somebody will leaked the word. And it’s going to get out and that ain’t good. You have some family members that can’t hold water. They love to gossip.
  18. How do you guys deal with keeping your relationship private and not having too many people in the relationship? How important is that? Bro. Lincoln: Communication, and learning to trust one another and communicate, and blessings from God keeping us strong minded, healthy and continue to love each other and communicating. Regardless of what you’re going through that day or that week. Sis. Lincoln: Certain things should only be between a man and a wife. Certain things we discuss should only be between me and him, not me and him and my best friend, you know, there are certain things that he may go to mama with or I might go to mama with, but there are just certain things that should just be off limits to anybody. So what are some examples of some of the things that are just between a husband and a wife?  Sis Lincoln: Problems in the bedroom. Issues in the bedroom I think should just be between you and that person. Infidelity, because everybody is different. Bro. Lincoln: I would say the whole house, not just the bedroom. Sis. Lincoln: If there’s something like abuse, somebody needs to know about it. You know for the safety of whoever’s being abused mentally, physically or emotionally, then somebody, preferably a professional—definitely things in the bedroom that should be between you and your spouse. Infidelity, because I have a tolerance level; you have a tolerance level. What things I might tolerate, you may not tolerate. So I don’t need to run to my best friend and say “Oh, my husband cheated on me” because I don’t need her in my ear going “well, you should just leave him,” when her husband might be beating on her. So to me, those are the two things that I don’t think you should share. If you need to share it, then you find a professional and you share it with that professional.  But not my friend, my mama, my cousin. Bro.Lincoln: The whole household. I wouldn’t want anyone to know what goes on in my house. And even if you come over to visit or see one of us, whatever problems we have, we ain’t gone let you know. Bottom line, we still gon’ act the same way we do every time you’ve seen us. Even if it’s a problem in the bedroom, problems outside the home, we gone still sit down and communicate and keep it to ourselves, it’s not a media tragedy, it’s among family, and the family gone have to mourn and work on it together as a family.
  19. What’s good about being married? What are some of the positives? Both: Sex! Bro. Lincoln: Sex, being together, and knowing you have a beautiful, fine, young lady on your shoulder, to go places with and doing things with, and other men look you don’t get mad; you just enjoy it. I got me something—cause if I see a lot of men looking, I’m not going to say nothin’; I’mma just smile. The only time I’m going to get mad is if they step to her and say something. If it wasn’t for her, I probably wouldn’t be in the church. Sis. Lincoln: Sex, being able to have it without being ashamed. Companionship.

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Know Your Role & Shut Your Mouth: The Gender Roles Discussion

14 Wednesday Jul 2010

Posted by Erica Welch in Blogging, Faith/God/Gospel, love, marriage, relationships

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communication, gender roles, leader, love, positions, quarterback, relationships, roles, team, trust

Oh, I know some of you are going to tear into this discussion. I really don’t have to do more than say “gender roles” to get some people up in arms, waving feminist flags (or burning bras), spouting chauvinist sayings, or trending changing family dynamics. But before you burn, trend, spout, or wave, please, by all means, read.

The same night the Stevenses were on the Monique show talking about tantric sex & open relationships, they spoke about the four gender roles for each sex, and the importance of “knowing your role” & “playing your position.”

I am familiar with the concept. You don’t need to have two quarterbacks on the field for one team. Each team has one goalie in soccer & hockey. Some play defense and some play offense. It’s very important to know what your position is supposed to do and what your position is responsible for.

Ladies, we all have shoes in our closets that are for different things. You don’t wear your going out heels to the gym or your gym shoes to work (unless you’re very lucky, or take them off once you sit at your desk). Some things in our closets have more than one role, but they all have roles. So you can see how it is important to know the role of a bathing suit versus a raincoat or winter coat versus a tank top.

Are roles in relationships that rigid? Who decides who gets what role? Why should I have to do A, B, & C? Could people’s incomplete understanding of Gender Roles keep them single, get them divorced, and be in the way of healthy relationships? Is the independent Woman Complex killing our relationships?

If we can all agree to the one quarterback/ one goalie per team on the field theory, the a bathing suit and a raincoat are not interchangeable theory, why can’t people agree to this concept in relationships? When we are playing the game of life, our spouses or significant others (but esp. spouses) are our teammates. We are on the same team! That’s the excellent part. The not so excellent part is we are individuals and sometimes we both think we deserve the same position. Everyone may want to lead. It makes sense; you lead your life before you ever knew your partner existed. But just like you have only one head and one mouth, there can only be one leader. And every team needs a leader.

The biggest impediment to establishing roles is trust. I don’t trust you to do it like I would like it done. I don’t trust you not to forget to do it. I don’t trust you to make the right decision for both of us & not just you. I can’t say I will obey you because I don’t trust that whatever you ask will be something I both can do & agree is the best thing to do. I don’t trust you can do what I ask. I don’t trust you not to go against what we agreed to & “do you.”

There’s also communication. Do you agree on what the words used to describe your role mean? Is submission to him brainless devotion & no opinions? Is provider to her someone who works so I can shop, go to the spa, & spend money without working? To Be Cont’d…

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Sincere Communication

18 Sunday Apr 2010

Posted by Erica Welch in relationships

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communication, discussion, effective communication, feelings, interpretation, partnership, relationships

Sometimes we think we are communicating with people when we are not. The other person is hearing things we think we didn’t say. We think we are giving them feedback they think they aren’t getting. We aren’t listening; rather, we are preparing our next point in the argument. We don’t feel it’s necessary to speak any certain way; we just have to  make our  point.

Effective communication, in any arena, is hard. It’s harder when feelings are involved, when each person is starving to be heard and have their feelings validated, if not necessarily agreed with. Effective communication is draining sometimes. Sometimes you don’t feel like going through all of that to make yourself understood; the other person should just know.

Re-establishing the lines of communication isn’t usually the problem; it’s that the communication hasn’t really been established in the first place. The best example of this I can come up with is the relationship I have/had with my father. For the longest time, he wasn’t involved in my life. I hadn’t seen him since I was two, or eight, or ten. We would never get to establish a method of communication before he was gone again. Once he got himself together and started going to church, we finally began to try to have a relationship, but the tools weren’t there to build on an existing communication relationship. He had no idea how to talk to me, and I had no idea how to talk to him, so most of our conversations were about movies we had seen and what we thought of them, or descriptions of the people we worked with or saw on a daily basis. We retreated to our stories. It’s easier. We are both great with words, but when you analyze all the conversations, we weren’t really saying anything.

My dad sent me a letter in November of 2008 that made me really mad, but it was also one of the first honest communications I had ever gotten from him. It made me mad because of the tone and the ultimatum quality of it, but I understood a few things about him for the first time ever. It made me angry to think he had been feeling the way he had for such a long time before he said anything (which, I find, is where most ultimatums spring from–holding back and biting your tongue for so long you can’t take it anymore), but I began to see my father as an actual person, with thoughts and feelings like I had, not a moviefone, a restaurant critic, a half-listening ear on the other end of a cell phone, a complaintant about my cell phone usuage. He had hurt me a lot, but apparently, so had I.

Anyway, here are a few of my effective communication rules/regulations; feel free to try them.

  1. Listen to the other person, then begin phrasing your response. Make sure you hear all of what they are saying and process it before you decide how you should respond.
  2. Don’t interrupt unless for clarity. It’s important to let the other person know you care about what they are saying and want to understand where they are coming from and what they mean. No one likes to be interrupted and put on the defensive, especially when they haven’t even made their position clear yet.
  3. Ask questions, but let the person finish saying what they are trying to say before you attempt to respond. If you really don’t understand what they are talking about, ask them. Let them finish before taking issue with something they’ve said; if you wait to hear the whole thing, it might not be what you thought, and will save a lot of time trying to defend themselves and being angry over something you took out of context.
  4. Briefly rephrase what they have said as you heard it to allow them to further explain if necessary. The way we interpret something someone said isn’t necessarily what they meant to convey when they said it. We speak the same language, but we also speak different ones. Discourse is more important than the language the discourse is in. Words, especially ones that describe feelings, have our personal experiences attached to them. We have to make sure we attach the other person’s meaning and not our feelings/experiences/pains to the conversation. 
  5. Be clear. Don’t make your comments a matter of interpretation. As John Mayer says, say what you need to say, but say what you mean to say as well.
  6. Meet them where they are in terms of how they communicate. If they use/need examples, if they need logic like a computer, if they need to see things visually, make sure that your communication style is adapted to that when you speak to them. You can be speaking a foreign language to them and not know it.
  7. No one wins; it’s not a competition. Winning is when you both understand each other, not necessarily when you have beaten the other person down so much they will agree to anything to stop talking.
  8. If this relationship is really important to you, how long it takes to communicate will not bother you. Even if you have to table a discussion for a later time, be willing to put in the effort. It gets easier the more you do it, but not always faster. My minister tells us his sermons aren’t long, we are just not focused and want to be somewhere else. We aren’t interested in what God has to say and just came to be there, so we fidget and wonder when he’ll sit down. There is some truth to that. When you don’t want to do something, it takes forever to do and you wish yourself anywhere else, but when you love it and want to understand it, time just seems to fly by.
  9. Sometimes, you have to walk away and think about things. Communicate that you have things to think about and don’t feel you can constructively talk about it further  at that point instead of just walking away. No one is a mind reader. You going to clear your head can be taken as you don’t care about the conversation (or the relationship) or that you are walking away from the person altogether.
  10. In personal relationships, you choose whether to be present and entertain discussions. If talking to the other person is not worth it, if the relationship is not important enough to salvage, you can leave.

I’m not the expert on communication, even though I talk A LOT! If you have any tips you want to add, or any points you want to disagree with discuss, feel free.

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Restablishing the Lines of Communication (and Special Thanks)

26 Wednesday Aug 2009

Posted by Erica Welch in Uncategorized

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apologies, Black love, communication, Diary of a Tired Black Man, family, love, marriage, Pink Susie, Tim Alexander

Fig_-_Power_of_CommunicationRTC: First I want to thank the man behind Diary of a Tired Black Man, Tim Alexander, for commenting on my little blog! The comments did shed a little light on some things about the movie I found confusing; however, I still think the movie was too unbalanced, even if you were trying to make a point. The way I see it (and I am not a filmmaker so I don’t know anything about budget and time constraints or the scope of the project),  something had to attract and keep you; she couldn’t have been all bad. Looks aside, how did you come to be married to her? Was she the same before you got married and you overlooked it or what? As an outsider, I only know so much of her/your situation, how either of you became to be the people in the relationship in the film, so I am just wondering. As a non-angry, unmarried Black woman, I would like to understand how it gets to that point. I watched the movie on Netflix’s Watch Instantly feature, so I didn’t get the opportunity to watch any of the director commentary. I will have to rent it from them and check that out. Also, I will definitely check out, and more than likely comment on, the message board. For anyone else who wants to discuss the film or follow the discussions, the link is http://www.tiredblackman.com/forums/ 

Now, I wrote in a previous entry that my aunt and I had a disagreement in our working relationship in which I felt that she disrespected me with a voicemail she left. I sent her the work she wanted and let her know that I was upset about said voicemail. This was Saturday. I have not gotten a response back from her about this situation, or anything. Faith and Pearl both said that she had been on their cases too, as she’s stressed about a business audit she was supposed to have (if it was still on schedule, it was supposed to be done yesterday). Maybe once all the hoopla is over, she will contact me; if not, am I responsible for opening up the lines of communication again? I mean, I did not close them. I did not express my feelings in a disrepectful way, and I DID send her the work she asked for, but she hasn’t spoken to me since, nor has anyone come to pick up the van. Ah, well.

As I said, Pink Susie has been there for a lot of the ups and downs I’ve suffered through in recent years, but she also hold grudges. She bought my dad a sweater when he was 14. He didn’t like it and told her so. She told him she would never buy him clothing ever again. My dad is over 50; he hasn’t received so much as a sock or pair of gloves from her. She means what she says. The thing is, she hasn’t said anything. This is a new record for her…nearly a week without calling me. I must admit, being free from the constant calling, the “do you have this ready?” or “did you get this email I sent you?”, the early morning wake up calls…it feels kinda nice. But I would like the occasional, “hey, just calling to see how life is going” calls. What do you think, WordPress? Who has to give in and who has to accept the apology gracefully?

Please read https://2blu2btru.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/family-affairs-should-not-be-business-affairs/ first. Also, if anyone knows how to copy a lik without putting it as a link, let me know. For example, if I could say “as I said here” and “here” was the link and you just click on it. Thanks

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